WDS revision update, expanded applicability rules, auto-approve revisions


Some customers have reported that update package for KB917013 was being deployed to WSUS clients without having approved the update for installation on their WSUS servers.   The original update release, released February 2007 as an optional update, was only applicable on systems which had a version of Windows Desktop Search installed. The recent update Revision 105, had the applicability logic expanded to be applicable to all systems regardless if a prior version of Windows Desktop Search was installed,  IF of course, approved in the WSUS Administrative UI or via Administrator-set auto-approval rules.


 


The initial update would have only been installed  if the update had been either auto, or manually approved, and if the applicability criteria was met on the client (that WDS was installed).  For some customers,  because the original update was approved for install,  but because of the previous applicability rules to apply only to clients which had WDS installed, the update was not actually installed. 



So what happened with this revision and why did it seemingly deploy itself to all systems in my environment?  WSUS by default is set to auto-approve update revisions to minimize administrative overhead and make sure distribution “just works”.  Keeping  in mind,  revisions are only titled as such, when metadata or applicability rules of an update package change, never the binaries.  Revisions are also of course only auto-approved via this setting, if the original update is approved.


With the expanded applicability rules, and the WSUS default setting to auto-approve new revisions, it may have appeared as if this update was deployed without approval.   The initial version of the update would have had to have been approved, and the “auto-approve revisions” option on (by default) in order for this revision to have also been approved and deployed.


To Recap:



  • The initial February 2007 release had to be purposely checked/approved by WSUS admin s sfor distribution, because it was an Optional update. 

  •  All subsequent metadata-only revisions to that WSUS admin approved February 2007 release would then also be automatically approved for distribution. 

  • The initial February approval is retained throughout the life of the update, regardless of revision.

That said,  We will be tightening the criterea for Revisions so that auto-approval  of revision behaivors are more predictable and of similar scope as the originial approved update, as we appreciate the confusion this behaivor caused. 


Thanks as always for your feedback to make our product s and processes work for our customers.


Bobbie Harder


PM, WSUS

Comments (654)

  1. Anonymous says:

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  7. audiofree says:

    Yes this is very lame, MS should be on its knees apologizing for this mess-up not trying to spin it. But I guess Microsoft doesn’t really care, what can us admin do? Stop using their software? Probably not at least not yet, but stuff like this won’t bode well for you in the future.

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  9. Jemimus says:

    Cross post from my comment on the WU Blog:

    http://blogs.technet.com/mu/archive/2007/10/12/response-to-recent-web-posts.aspx#2251503

    I believe the way this update was packaged and presented, undermines the logic we have come to expect from WSUS updates.

    The problem is that the package is presented internally as a revision -update-, which are by default -always- automatically approved (your other approval settings don’t override this), but it was combined with a scope change, that allowed the package to
    also install WDS on systems that did not have it previously.

    It is the second behavior that causes the problem. Installation on systems that did not have it previously, is NOT an -update-, they should not behave as such.

    Revision 105 was called "Windows Desktop Search 3.01 for Windows XP (KB917013)".  Classification: Update

    Now from the name alone, it looks like its not an update, but a complete installation (which it was). I never got to see the name before the fact of course, because it auto-approved and installed itself.

    The classification is "Update", and this is what troubles me. Surely, if this "update" can install itself on systems without previous revisions, it does not belong in the "update" classification?

    This should have been split into 2 packages.

    1. An -update- with new revision number 105, possibly with a slighty differnet name including the word "update". This would have been automatically approved if the default option for revisions auto-approving was not altered by the admin. The scope would
    be only install on systems with previous revisions of WDS

    2. A new package, called "Windows Desktop Search 3.01 for Windows XP (KB917013)", possibly a new revision number, but certainly a different classification. I don’t have a list of all the WSUS classifications here, but I am sure there is one that is suitable,
    wasn’t their something for new Windows features?

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  13. online game says:

    This is why I don’t regret disabling Windows Update and anything related to it. If you want to update Windows use WindizUpdate.com from inside Firefox they give you updates that you need, not some CPU hungry waste of bandwidth like Windows Desktop search.

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  18. Anonymous says:

    This is BS… My company considers *any* desktop search program a security risk (as do our auditors).

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  21. admin says:

    Is there any response for the mob of people who have had this latest WDS auto-installed even though their WSUS is explicitly set to *NOT* auto-approve anything?

  22. will says:

    If you have identified the problem, the next logical step would be to help people fix the problem. So far you’ve only discussed how to prevent it from happening in the future.

    Can you please post some information about how to easily remove the software?

  23. na says:

    This is not the result of an auto-approval rule.  This is the result of the server setting automatically approve new revisions for updates that have already been approved.

  24. Jemimus says:

    I blogged about this happening to me here:

    http://geekswithblogs.net/jemimus/archive/2007/10/25/116319.aspx

    Now i I understand the above correctly…

    There is a good chance I approved for installation, the update to Windows Desktop Search back in february.

    I would have done that in the understanding that it would apply -only- to systems that already had the Windows Desktop Search tool installed.

    That understanding has come from the behavior of Microsoft updates in general: -Updates- to components of Windows and other applications, only apply to systems that have that component or application installed.

    Makes sense. After all: You cannot update software that isn’t installed in the first place… cause its not there yet.

    Now what I understand from the post above, is that the update revision 105, released a few days ago, is not simply an update.  

    It is in fact the entire Windows Desktop Search installer, with the ability to also replace/update previous installations.

    And because of the WSUS feature to always aprove new revisions is also turned on on my WSUS server, 105 was also, automaticly approved. Cause its a -revision- of the feb update.

    However..  you changed the scope of applicability of 105.

    In my opinon, this is a very dangerous sequence of events, because the logic is not apparent to most admins I am guessing (based on what I have read so far).

    The combination of both a revision, -and- a scope change at the same time, seems an inherently bad choice.

    For all intense and purpose, the effect of the scope change for clients that did not have the WDS previously installed, does not constitute an -update-, and it should not be presented as such.

    That means it should have been presented as a completely seperate item in WSUS, and should not have included the wording "update" anywhere in the discription.

    I have read on the thread here:   http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=12009443&m=796005818831&r=845007818831

    that exactly the same thing happened with "Client Update for Microsoft Forefront Client Security (1.0.1703.0)", which similarly was extended in scope.

    The term "update"  should mean just that. You should not be using the term so generically, and wrapping up "new" installation functionality into one and the same package.  

    Keep it separate. Keep the language clear to us admins who have probably very little time to devote to patch management already.

  25. Nan says:

    Following are the ways to check if your WSUS server has been configured to auto-approve new revisions for already approved updates.

    1. If you have WSUS 2 server

    Launch the WSUS 2 web Administration tool

    Click Options

    Click Automatic Approvals options

    See the section "Revisions to updates"

    If the button "Automatically approve the latest revision of the update" is selected, then the server will auto-approve new revisions of already approved updates.

    2. If you have WSUS 3 server

    Open WSUS 3 Administration tool

    Go to Update Services -> Options

    Select Automatic Approvals

    In the window that pops up, select "Advanced" tab

    See the state of checkbox

    "Automatically approve new revisions of updates that are already approved".

    If that is selected, then the server will auto-approve new revisions of already approved updates.

    In both WSUS 2 and WSUS 3, the above options are selected by default.

    Hope this helps

  26. Joshua says:

    Also, I am wondering, how you you determine the "scope of applicability" for updates in WSUS?  I don’t see anything clearly different in the update that indicates it will install itself onto computers that don’t have it, instead of just updating the previous version.

  27. annoyed says:

    So, what can be done for those of us who have WDS now installed on machines that we never wanted it to be.

    The update is convienantly non-removalable via WSUS…

  28. Helmut says:

    microsoft might "appreciate the confusion this behaivor [sic] caused" but the rest of us certainly do not.

  29. Reposter of a fix says:

    Kudos to Phil @ Princeton.edu for this one (hopefully he doesn’t mind us reposting this)

    1. Used a GPO to disable and stop the  "Wsearch" (aka Windows Search) service on our managed machines.  This stopped the "bleeding"

    2. Since stopping the service just stops the client from indexing (doesn’t remove the WDS GUI from machine), we plan on sending out the following command to machines (with SMS) early next week.  This will completely uninstall WDS 3.0.1 silently :

    %windir%$NtUninstallKB917013$spuninstspuninst.exe /q /norestart

  30. Brian K. Doré says:

    Nice spin, but the fact remains that a so-called ‘update’ was released that installed on systems that did not have the product the update was targeted to.   This so called ‘update’ was really a completely new version of a product.    As  a Microsoft customer, I don’t really care which product team is at fault for screwing up the applicability rules or labeling a full product as an update.   I want help dealing with the immediate issues this has caused and ensuring that this can’t happen again.  

    After this fiacso, you may as well leave auto approval out of the next version of WSUS because nobody should ever trust it again.  

  31. ZrOuT says:

    Explaining to your managers that you know how it happened does not matter a whole lot, I would much rather explain what my plan is for fixing this and removing this aweful malware.

  32. Although I have the ‘automatically approval revisions of updates already *appproved*, I had previously *declined* Desktop Search 2.xx.  However, I was hit with 3.01 installing on my PCs.  Why should this have happened if I had declined the previous updates?  

  33. Tom Morris says:

    This is such weak BS! Wish I just use something as lame for my clients.

    Trust Microsoft, pay the price

  34. Dr Laurie Miles says:

    Bobbie Harder’s explanation makes no sense – other posters above have clearly pointed out that what was approval only for an update to a PC with WDS on it has morphed into approval for installation of the whole product. This is completely unacceptable. I spent some time yesterday removing WDS from all the PCs in our small business, which I could have spent a lot more productively doing other tasks. The "Automatically approve new revisions of updates that are already approved" setting is now turned off in WSUS, and I would advise everyone to do the same.

    MS need to apologise for what has happened, rather than try to justify it, and should be issuing an update ASAP that will allow WSUS Admins to remove the WDS malware. I would not like to be the sysadmin who reportedly wound up with 3000 PCs having this installed…

  35. Brad Terhune says:

    We don’t install patches that are designated as "updates" here though we do send over critical and security updates.  I don’t believe Desktop Search was 2 was ever installed via WSUS here?  Was it part of an update rollup or bundled in something else?

    We sure got 3.01 regardless, and it was a big suprise.  Cost us a lot of time and effort at the Helpdesk level.  Very disappointing.  My question is the same as everyone else’s.  How do you propose to fix this problem?

    We have taken numerous Outlook 2003 calls at our Helpdesk that resolve themselves as soon as Desktop Search is removed through the Control Panels.

    Thank you,

    Brad Terhune

  36. Tom Morri says:

    Query: why, when the Update was declined, did it still install, continues to install after an uninstall until I turned of WSUS.

    Uninstall WSUS is the answer. What crap. What a waste of time.

  37. help says:

    %windir%$ntuninstallkb917013spuninstspuninst /quiet /norestart

    MsiExec.exe /X{E72019B8-1287-4093-BE9B-1CFA7BA1A8D2} /quiet /norestart

    Both of those should uninstall it without restarting the system.

    As mentioned a GPO to disable the service will work as well but will require the system to restart for that to take effect.

    The update itself also has an .adm file that you can import into your GPO’s to control the behaviour of the WDS client as well.

    The settings are at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917013 you can get the .adm by running the update with a /extract.

    The following settings might be useful:

    Prevent indexing Microsoft Office Outlook

    Prevent indexing uncached Exchange Folders

    Prevent Indexing Certain Paths

    Prevent Indexing of Certain File Types

  38. William says:

    We will look at turning off that "auto-update" feature. It’s a pain.

  39. Jean-Pierre Paradis says:

    You missed somthing here, this is not an ‘approval’ problem. This patch should not have been installed on systems that doesn’t have WDS. IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN UPDATE !

    In the future how can I tell if a new ‘update’ will be install on all computers or only those who need it ?

    Before october 24th I was a big defender of WSUS, but now I feel a little ashamed of using it.

    It will take us many days of work to undo the « mistake » you made.

  40. Gene says:

    As mentioned above, this update has caused havoc in our environment not to mention over 100 calls into the Help Desk for assistance, direction, and disapproval.  My management is asking how did this happen?  And of course, my head is on the block for this snafu.  Currently there are over 8,000 machines with this product installed.  I plan on removing this, and yes, I’ve turrned off the automatic approval in WSUS!  

    What is done with the index after the product is removed?  Is all indexing removed as well?  If not, is there a way I can ensure all indexing is set back to normal?

  41. Jean-Pierre Paradis says:

    I may have an explanation why we may think that kb917013 got installed on system even if the update is not approve or even declined.

    Let me do a little explanation :

    o  October 23th, 1h AM, my WSUS server synchronize with

       Microsoft and recevied the update definition (metadata)

       for kb917013 revision 105

    o  My server is configure to auto-approved revisions for an

       already approved update (as many of you I’m sure).

       So the revision for update kb917013 got approved

    o October 24th, 9h AM, I plug my laptop in the network and

      boot. The Windows Update Client reported to my

      WSUS server and identified the kb917013 (revision 105)

      update as needing to be download

    o October 24th, 11h AM the download of update kb917013

      was completed on my laptop

    o October 24th, 13h PM I read about the problem with

      kb917013 on the Internet and declined

      the update on my server.

    o October 24th, 16h PM, as define by GPO the update

      kb917013 got installed on my system

    My understanding is that once a computer identifies that a patch is needed it will be installed. It doesn’t matter if you declined the approval afterwards, the computer never check again with WSUS to see if the status of the update changed before installing it.

  42. Someone Somewhere says:

    It is interesting how this does not happen to lets say MS Office 2007 updates, I would love it if all my users using Office 2003 received a free Office 2007 installation overnight!

    I can dream right?

  43. Warren says:

    Whoever approved this bulls–t needs to be fired.

    You’ve made a very, VERY serious mistake in judgement here.  You do NOT mess with the trust of your customers.  This is non-negotiable.  This can not be overstated.  I find myself having to manually remove this software from all the servers and desktops in our organisation because there doesn’t appear to be a way to do it automatically.

  44. Chad says:

    I understand the snafu with this product being installed within all your enterprises, and the headache and costs associated.  I see MS’s error in logic in their classification and it shouldn’t have happened.

    But seriously people, if you cared at all about your users productivity, you would have rolled WDS some time ago, particularily for the Outlook search.  I cannot live without this functionality, and cringe when I work on a machine without this.

    For my current project, we are migrating from GroupWise to Exchange/Outlook and it is the highest requirement that we provide an advanced search functionality in Outlook that mirrors that which GroupWise provides.  GW’s search is and has been awesome, one of the few positives towards GW.  It is unacceptable to move forward with Outlook and not provide this same level of functionality for the users.

    The WDS search in Outlook is so powerful and shouldn’t be functionality your users are without.  Hopefully you have either deployed Google or some other search technology, but if you haven’t you really need to key into this technology.  This is not one for IT to take advantage of, this is functionality your users need, and for their sake you shouldn’t ignore them.

  45. MacDaddy says:

    "Can you please post some information about how to easily remove the software?"

    step one: format harddrive

    step two: throw out PC

    step three: get a real computer (a Mac) and never worry about garbage like this again….

  46. SeeChao says:

    My users have aproximatly a dozen network drives that they use regularly, in order for them to search now they need to index the network, meaning an index thats 10% of the size of whats being indexed, which is hdd room the users dont have, there would be no real productivity increase, as they where able to search before, desktop searching is only usefull for people who hit save without looking at where theyre saving, the lost productivity however is very obvious, all our computers slowed to a crawl, including our servers, our network was jammed, and people where confused and calling tech support, the productivity lost by this "update" was huge, compared to 1% of user being able to find lost files 3% faster than before… I dont see how you can defend this. Making the software available for those who want it is one thing, forcing it on all users was… well… wrong.

  47. Dave says:

    "If you have identified the problem, the next logical step would be to help people fix the problem. So far you’ve only discussed how to prevent it from happening in the future."

    No. the customers identified the problem.  This article simply explains to the stupid customers that it’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

  48. Todd says:

    If I managed to catch KB917013 before my WSUS server downloaded it, and I mark it "not approved", am I safe? Or do I need to disable auto-approval of "updates".

  49. Our updates are managed by an IT company. Needless to say you must have done this on all thier clients. Thank you we will have to pay them now to remove it from all our systems, They claim its not their fault. Thank you very much.  

  50. DjNikos says:

    you people at MS should be shot and strung up to dry….

  51. tom says:

    I checked the status of the Feb ’07 release and it is (was) set to ‘Not approved’.  So if what Bobbie Harder said above is true, than how did this get approved on my systems?

  52. Bob A says:

    Seven hours into clean-up. Passed the word to management: MS changed the rules, we should have known they changed the rules, so sorry, good luck.

    I love being hourly!

  53. Jon says:

    This is rediculous. As if anyone is under any illusions that this is anything other than simply MS realising that no one’s installing this rubbish product because it’s so bad, so they’re just forcing it on as many people as possible.

  54. Jon J says:

    I was out wed for my birthday…. Imagine my happiness at the gift of a phone burning up this morning when I arrived!

    I did NOT approve any ANY variation of WDS and I should have had the ability to approve this before my users saw a ‘mystery box’ appear in their taskbar.

    You smart IT guys at M$ do know that some of us that work in financial or data security oriented jobs would prefer that users not search their freakin PCS????

    Thanks for the meeting I have tomorrow….

  55. Tom S says:

    IMHO, MS shouldn’t be blamed for all of this.

    After some detective work I found this:

    A restored backup of our WSUS server had the Feb 2007 WDS 3.01 was approved for install for all computers but needed by none.

    Automatically Approve previously approved updates was on.

    It was never an issue because no computers needed it but it still should not have been approved for install!!!

    It was patiently waiting for months to get a new detection algorithm.  

    My bad…

    I do agree that we should have been told ahead of time that the detection behavior was changing.

    It is in there under the revision notes:

    "The applicability rules or prerequisites have changed. This type of change means that the set of machines on which the new revision is offered may be different from the set of machines on which the old revision is offered."

    By the time I got to read it, it was too late. :-{

    I do think they should have classified it differently (under Tools?).

    Just my two cents…

    Tom S

  56. C L says:

    "revisions are only titled as such, when metadata or applicability rules of an update package change, never the binaries"

    If that was true, then how is it that an ENTIRELY NEW VERSION of Windows Desktop Search was sent as a revision?

  57. Steve Ballmer says:

    I hope this clears everything clear. For those still confused I will summarize it this way:

    We own your system, if you do not want us to update it when we feel it is necessary you should disconnect from any networks or the internet!

    http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

  58. gitfinger2 says:

    I have over 130 servers this has been "Dumped on". Reading the Comments made by the WSUS team is a joke.

    The fact it has been approved/not approved by us poor administrator, thinking we had done the right thing and what does MS do. It drops the application on to the servers and brings them to the knees. Cheers guys! So smart !

  59. wutZWERG says:

    just finger poiting at ms would be to easy – although I %&$$"!!!

    surely it was a mistake by ms defining it as an update, but in big environments – you realy should use a staging aera and testing with updates. this is a standard rule for all production environments.

    and for all thise complaining about hardware – well there are  virtualization tools availible for no cost.

  60. David says:

    I can GUARANTEE the earlier revision was NOT selected for install.  When I originally went in to 3.01 to check why it had gone to all the machines, only the second revision (Oct. 24) was set to Install.

    I just went into WSUS 2 to confirm this and provide the actual revision numbers and text, but the updates are now all EXPIRED.

    Which means MS is finally accepting they F’D up this update.

    Now MS – TELL US HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM USING WSUS – not some 12 steps of group policy and scripting!!!

  61. Meitzi says:

    "but in big environments – you realy should use a staging aera and testing with updates" – wutZWERG

    Yes, we have test enviroment and I think everyone else here does too. But how it helps if production enviroment get new program without any our control? Did I do something out of book?

    Can somebady point where  I did wrong? What recommendation I did not follow?

  62. VT IT Man says:

    That explanation is a load of crap.  I took a look at my previous desktop search updates and all were set to declined, however, the "update" still was automatically approved.  MS should come clean and just state they made a mistake rather then try to confuse the masses with the explanation above.  I have my WSUS log and it shows all previous versions, 2.6.5 &  2.6.6 set to declined.  I did however have the auto approve new revisions, it appears to me that is the only flag that this update looked at.  

  63. J H says:

    This update has ruined 2 of my days and it keeps reappearing! I need an MSI patch to deploy via GP to fix this mess. Outlook keeps popping up wanting to authenticate because this junk program is indexing my Exchange Store.

    Bad move MS. From now on I will approve all revisions.

  64. Marco Sonnenberg says:

    After automatic deployment of  WDS, hundrets of users started indexing their network shares at the same time. It paralyzed my clustered fileserver for hours and killed a lot of serverbased userprofiles!

    Worse is, that the .adm file, supposed to prevent this behaviour, doesn’t work in my environment and i can’t find the reason. The clients just don’t care about the settings in this very policy.

    Any ideas?

  65. wsus_user says:

    > more predictable?

    you surely wanted to say more reasonable.

    Its just your mistake, logic is not a point of view, or is it, when you work at M$ ?

    yes: surely i do believe that it’s a mistake following the guidelines to push as much bs to autoapprove customers as possible

    wsus_user, who diabled any aoutoapproving

  66. Todd Thomas says:

    Here is a batch file you can deploy to your organization through GPO.  Simply copy the text into a .txt file and rename it .bat

    start %windir%$NtUninstallKB917013$spuninstspuninst /q /norestart

    Now I have to find a way to block this update from coming in through WSUS, simply blocking it doesnt work.

  67. C L says:

    To turn off auto-approval of revisions:

    1. Start WSUS

    2. Open Update Services

    3. Open Server Name

    4. Select Options

    5. Click on Automatic Approvals

    6. Select the Advanced tab

    7. Uncheck “Automatically approve new revisions of updates that are already approved”

    8. Click Apply and/or OK

    This will cause revisions to not be auto-approved, which amounts to more time on you, the admin, to handle those.

  68. Steve Ballmer says:

    I hope that clears everything up.

    (Just let the thing run, reindex your drive and network. Go on vacation, don’t use the computer for a day or two. When you get back everything will be just fine.)

    http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

  69. Ian says:

    All the people saying "ah don’t worry, you should have WDS anyway, as it works great with Outlook", well yes it does, but we prefer to manage the tools the users are used to, and this places a great big search box on their toolbar that they’re now asking what it’s for. But worst than that, can anyone tell me why on earth I want WDS all over my servers that nobody ever sees the desktop of, except admin users?

    What next, will we get the Visio Viewer whacked all over every server that doesn’t happen to have Excel installed, because I happened to approve a Visio update a year ago?

  70. dalepres says:

    This blog article is absolutely false – wether intentionally or not.  I have specifically declined the previous Windows Desktop Search 3.x packages.  The previous 2.6.x packages are marked Not Approved.

    WSUS totally ignored the previous approval status.  This means that WSUS is, and was used as, a trojan for installing products Microsoft cannot otherwise convince users to install.

    By the way, I have also read reports on the newsgroups of people getting the patch pushed by the Internet update servers as well.  This is not simply a trojan.wsus issue.

    I am still waiting to see Google’s response to this since Google owns the desktop search market that the WDS deployment would be competing with if successful.

  71. John says:

    The funny thing about this is that I manage over 28k desktops and laptops running windows 2000  and xp in 54 different facilities. I had no problems with this whatsoever because I followed the best practices and created a staging area. I learned abotu staging areas way back when anti-virus products released dat files that caused machines to blue screen. Hopefully others will have learned how critical a staging area is. You don’t even need extra hardware, you just delay patches to everyone for a week, and you create a different group for machines say, IT folks and then use them as first timers. There is no excuse not to have a staging area in a enterprise environment.

  72. dalepres says:

    Ian.  Outlook has a great search that works with Outlook.

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